OFFICIAL Wrestleview Match of the Year Bubble Thread

[jsnnmk]

Updated bubble list as of 12/10/2011:



WWE(+6 to +3)

CM Punk vs Triple H WWE Night of Champions 9/19
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=2AK0Y7GF

Cody Rhodes vs Randy Orton WWE Smackdown 11/4
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=AI7LTXNI

Sheamus vs Randy Orton WWE Smackdown 6/10
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=MY0Y3S90

Alberto Del Rio vs Rey Mysterio WWE Smackdown 1/7
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=Z1XO3N1N

Cody Rhodes vs Rey Mysterio WWE Smackdown 4/22
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=R3DEUMD2

Dolph Ziggler vs Edge WWE Royal Rumble 1/30
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=QCWUQHSD

Dolph Ziggler vs Randy Orton WWE Smackdown 10/28
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=9LS6NIU0

Drew Mcintyre vs. Rey Mysterio WWE Smackdown 3/11
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=GLULFNBT

John Cena & The Rock vs The Awesome Truth WWE Survivor Series 11/20
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=VY22DV4Q

The Big Show vs Mark Henry WWE Vengeance 10/23
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=YH2TOT74

Alberto Del Rio vs Christian WWE Smackdown 4/8
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=6ERGWR60

Dolph Ziggler vs John Morrison WWE Survivor Series 11/20
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=J6OFLTD1

John Cena vs The Miz WWE RAW 10/31
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=7P0GJGUN

Layla vs Michelle McCool WWE Extreme Rules 5/1
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=L3D5X9UZ

Mark Henry vs Randy Orton WWE Hell In A Cell 10/2
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=IDSJ1UF0

Sheamus vs Randy Orton WWE Smackdown 6/3
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=CZ9PHRW5

12 Man Tag WWE RAW 10/3
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=CMH5BIL0

AJ vs Maxine WWE NXT 9/13
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=TPLIIFXN

Alberto Del Rio vs Rey Mysterio WWE RAW 8/15
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=MN4KEQXL

Alicia Fox vs Natalya WWE Superstars 7/7
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=FKVS3URG

Beth Phoenix vs Kelly Kelly WWE Summerslam 8/14
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=391JWNN8

Brodus Clay vs Johnny Curtis vs Derrick Bateman WWE NXT 2/22
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=GUH8W05B

Christian vs Mark Henry WWE Smackdown 6/3
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=3SPW8IL7

Dolph Ziggler vs Randy Orton WWE RAW 1/17
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=7LTQDJPS

Kane vs Randy Orton WWE Smackdown 7/22
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=IPOY41GT

Melina vs Beth Phoenix WWE Superstars 5/5
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=82ZHX8UI

Rey Mysterio vs CM Punk WWE Capitol Punishment 6/19
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=5AU45PZM

The Big Show, Kane, Santino Marella & Kofi Kingston vs The Corre WWE Smackdown 4/8
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=1DDK9IQ4



The Field(+4 to +2)

Austin Aries vs Brian Kendrick TNA Bound for Glory 10/16
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=FUGNJUD6

Bad Intentions vs No Limit NJPW 5/3
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=0H2ZP6CD

Dal Knox vs Vinny Dunn IPW Ignition 2/14
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=Z6L8F6I3

El Generico vs Roderick Strong ROH Revolution: USA 5/6
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=O7KRKO71

Kurt Angle & Chyna vs The Jarretts TNA Sacrifice 5/15
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=HQE44DFP

Roderick Strong vs El Generico ROH Honor Takes Center Stage Chapter Two 4/2
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=1VO1KE0V

The All Night Express vs The Briscoes ROH Honor Takes Center Stage Chapter Two 4/2
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=WSVLJM6B

The Kings of Wrestling vs The All Night Express ROH 9th Anniversary 2/26
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=Q7JREG2S

Abyss vs Brian Kendrick IMPACT Wrestling 7/28
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=64EJ8CB8

Brodus Clay vs. Percy Watson FCW 2/27
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=RAB6GPC6

Daizee Haze vs Serena Deeb SHIMMER Vol. 37 3/27
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=V18O38FT

Finlay vs Sami Callahan EVOLVE 9 7/26
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=6J6ZMI7U

Jerry Lawler & Brian Christopher vs. Bill Dundee & Jamie Dundee 3/2
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=2TQKH008

Jun Akiyama vs. Yutaka Yoshi NOAH 3/5
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=LB5AR5OS

Negro Casas vs Blue Panther CMLL 4/24
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=859OJBW0

The All Night Express vs The Briscoes ROH Death Before Dishonor IX 9/18
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=INZJSVEB

Yuji Nagata vs. Minoru Suzuki NJPW WrestleKingdom V 1/4
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=NHUXWMYH

25 Man Battle Royal IMPACT Wrestling 5/12
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=W9WXHESO

4 Way Tag ROH Best In The World 6/26
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=UC886KSN

Adam Pearce vs Colt Cabana NWA Championship Wrestling from Hollywood 4/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr7u9gMRnrU

Bobby Roode vs AJ Styles TNA Turning Point 11/13
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=VRDUBJFC

Canadian Ninjas vs Ohata & Matsumoto SHIMMER Vol. 37 3/26
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=ZIFCE6IP

Cheerleader Melissa vs Athena SHIMMER Vol. 37 3/26
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=6K75FKRL

Cheerleader Melissa vs Melanie Cruise SHIMMER Vol. 38 3/26
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=EI4RBJUU

Crimson vs Matt Hardy IMPACT Wrestling 6/2
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=63T2YIIH

Ikuto Hidaka vs. Takafumi Ito Zero-One 3/6
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=1Y5V5RVV

Madison Eagles vs Mercedes Martinez SHIMMER Vol. 37 3/26
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=E33R6NCP

Trevor Murdoch vs Derek Stone MetroPro 1/18
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=61I1OZ1C

Yoshihiro Takayama vs. KENTA NOAH 1/15
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=CHT59Q3N

[Greg_McNeish]

I don't know if I've ever seen someone so militantly steal another man's gig, as Jason is here. Bully to you, sir.

More old Yes votes getting reversed to No:

Percy Watson vs. Brodus Clay, FCW 2/27 (Now +1)
Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes, Smackdown 4/22 (Now +3)
Mark Henry vs. Big Show, Vengeance 10/23 (Now +3)
Sheamus vs. Randy Orton, Smackdown 6/10 (Now +4)
Dolph Ziggler vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Drew McIntyre vs. Big Show, Smackdown 1/7 (Now +5)
Randy Orton & Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes & CM Punk, RAW 4/4 (Now +6)
CM Punk vs. John Cena, RAW 2/14 (Now +6)

[TheLyontamer]

Jeez, Greg (or "Geese", as our good buddy isrs would say). The Christmas period must put you in quite the foul mood. Talk about yankin' the plug of quite a few matches.

Out of curiosity, I do have to ask what was wrong with Henry-Show from Vengeance. I'd be interested to hear what you didn't like about it.

[GooberBM]

I've also got some no votes to put out there

Cena/Punk - 2/14
Orton/Mysterio-Rhodes/Punk - 4/4
Big Show/Ziggler/Rhodes/McIntyre - 1/7

[Goosey]

Greg is Geese? the fuck..I call Gimmick Infringement!!!!

[cjbowman]

NO votes abound:

The Miz vs. John Cena - 10/31
Rey Mysterio vs. Alberto Del Rio - 1/7
Mark Henry vs. Randy Orton - Vengeance
Nagata/Suzuki - 1/4
murdoch/stone - 1/18
akiyama/yoshi - 3/5
Hidaki/Ito - 3/6
Miz/Cena - 10/31
Rey/Cody - 4/22
Deeb/Haze - Shimmer 37
Melissa/Cruise - Shimmer 38
brodus/percy - 2/27

Why the hate on the Melissa/Cruise match?

[GooberBM]

No hate CJ. It was a good, solid match. But for something to go from the bubble to onto the final ballot I think it needs to be more than just sturdy.

[Greg_McNeish]

Greg is Geese? the fuck..I call Gimmick Infringement!!!!

While I'd love to get into a big feud with you, over who is what bird, you're simply not in my league. Tamer was playing off isrs' creative spelling of "jeez".

[Greg_McNeish]

Out of curiosity, I do have to ask what was wrong with Henry-Show from Vengeance. I'd be interested to hear what you didn't like about it.

First off, a No vote doesn't necessarily mean that I didn't like it. Just means I don't feel it deserves a spot on the final ballot.

When looking at this match, the first thing that we need to do is separate the ring-collapsing superplex from the rest of the match. That was undoubtedly a great finish, and is probably one of the Moments of the Year. In layman's terms, it was pretty fuckin' cool. That spot is the destination for the match, so the measure of everything leading up to it, is how well it lead up to it. In this regard, the match was a total flop. Here's why:

The most glaring criticism that came to mind while rewatching this match was that it is horribly disjointed. Structurally, it's got all the flaws of a stereotypical indy match, with limb work that goes nowhere and is blown off, leading into gratuitous finisher kickouts. It gave the impression that they didn't really have a game plan, and were just... doing things... to fill space until the groovy ending. Heck, this was an Edge match, from that standpoint.

That's surface stuff, though, and can be overlooked, if the underlying story is solid. As covered, the ring-collapse was the destination, so the story should build towards that. That means that what's really important is how astronomically big these guys are, and how much force they hit the ring with. Doesn't seem like that tall of an order, considering that these are astronomically big guys, that hit the ring with a lot of force. The problem is in the execution, though.

The first instances where they fail to reinforce the key element (and actually work against it), is the earliest bodyslams, traded between these two. We've seen countless times where John Cena has gritted his teeth to lift up the ring steps; the entire 2010 SD MITB was built around Big Show huffing & puffing to maneuver his monstrous ladder into place; just this past spring, Mark Henry dug deep to throw a helpless sound tech into oblivian (or to rip a steel cage to shreds). In all these cases, these big, strong people made it clear to the audience just how hard they had to work to do the things they did, and heck, if they have to work that hard, then those things must be REALLY heavy, and tough to lift. Yet here, we see Mark Henry lifting up the "World's Largest Athlete" like it's nothing, and Big Show returning the favour it kind. There was no intensity behind the spots, and it did absolutely nothing to give people the impression that they are particularly heavy.

The most egregious offense of this kind comes late in the match, in the spot immediately preceeding the superplex. Moments away from creating a seismic event, Mark Henry is chokeslammed off the very same top rope that they are about to plunge from, and kicks out. Comprehend that. They are just about to fall from the exact same height, collapsing the ring, causing them to lie motionless for several minutes, before nearly being stretchered out, and he KICKS OUT? You'd be hard pressed to find a single way to be more counterproductive in the moments before a climax, than that right there.

That's what takes this somewhat flawed match, with a cool finish, and turns it into a solid No.

[GooberBM]

^^^^*Headshot*

And he didn't even need a Grassy Knoll

[El Canuck]

All you needed to put at the end of that review, McNeishy was:

[coalition77]

Yes to KOW v ANX at ROH 9th Anniversary
Yes to Clay v Watson FCW
Yes to Akiyama v Woshi NOAH
No to 25 Man Battle Royal iMPACT
Yes to Show v Henry
Yes to Hardy v Crimson iMPACT
Yes to Generico v Strong at Honor Takes Center Stage

[coalition77]

^ Show v Henry at Vengeance

[Greg_McNeish]

Safely off the Bubble and onto the Ballot:
Roderick Strong vs. El Generico, ROH 4/2

Off the Bubble, and Down the Drain:
25-Man Battle Royal, Impact 5/12

Back on the Bubble:
Brodus Clay vs. Percy Watson, FCW 2/27

[OneManX]

WV MotY Bubble Thread Watching > Impact Wrestling

[Greg_McNeish]

That's not exactly high praise....

[OneManX]

That's not exactly high praise....

Well this is a thread full of words, broken up every once in awhile with pics of hot chicks... so thats a plus?

[coalition77]

Yes to Pearce v Cabana
No to Canadian Ninjas v Ohata & Matsumoto
Yes to Kane v Orton Smackdown 7/22
No to Mysterio v Punk at Capitol Punishment
Yes to Layla v McCool at Extreme Rules
Yes to Melissa v Cruise SHIMMER 38

[Greg_McNeish]

Coalition slays a couple matches, which are dumped off the Bubble:

Rey Mysterio vs. CM Punk, Capitol Punishment 6/19
Canadian Ninjas vs. Ohata & Matsumoto, Shimmer Vol. 37

Newly onto the Bubble is a TNA match recently nominated & seconded, putting it at +2:

Tony Nese vs. Zema Ion, TNA Impact 12/15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfzhv_oNbGo

[OneManX]

Yes to Pearce v Cabana
No to Canadian Ninjas v Ohata & Matsumoto
Yes to Kane v Orton Smackdown 7/22
No to Mysterio v Punk at Capitol Punishment
Yes to Layla v McCool at Extreme Rules
Yes to Melissa v Cruise SHIMMER 38

YES! I will continue to ride the truth that that ER Divas match was the best Divas Title match of the year.