I just got done watching the first show of the Ultimate Fighter Season 10 and my big question is why did they eliminate the preliminary fight format to determine who gets a spot on the Ultimate Fighter? This season for some reason they went back to the original preset fighter format and well... the first fight was a prime example of why they shouldn't have went back to that format. That fight was just flat out horrible. The guy that lost the first fight had no business being there. The only reason I can think of why they didn't use the preliminary fight format like they have done in past Ultimate Fighters was due to Kimbo Slice. I guess they wanted to make sure he got enough face time on that show or some BS for ratings. I mean, what is the Ultimate Fighter turning itself into, Celebrity Fighter now? Ridiculous........

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I completely agree with you. The change in format was obviously a ploy to milk the whole Kimbo thing. Image if Kimbo lost in the prelims? It would have been a disaster and all that ad money would have been flushed. I can almost guarantee that Kimo's first fight will be the last of the 1st round fights and I wouldn't be surprised if his opponent will be Bitch Tits (who looks like the weakest fighter - well before watching Abe get is butt kicked). As far as the first episode it was horrible. You're right Abe had no business being there. Did he even have 1 strike land? I was hoping Jackson would get up and throw in the towel mostly to save the viewer from watching that train wreck.

On a positive note, I lloved how Jackson choose the cameraman over the last guy.

They may have changed the format cause they couldnt find 32 worthy big guys of being on the show. Hell they can barely find 16 quality heavyweights. The protecting Kimbo thing is a bit of a reach if they did the other format couldnt they have just fed Kimbo a random off the street if they wanted to keep him on the show as we've all seen on youtube Kimbo does well against random bums. James Thompson is probably much better competetion than anyone on that show other the Roy Nelson has ever fought. I dont understand the ex NFL guys hating on Kimbo for being on the show just cause of his name when there really on there just cause there ex-NFL players.

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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/11/10 ... fighter-10

Here's a link to how Bloody Elbow has the contestants ranked. This article was actually put up prior to the start of the show, so it's pretty interesting to see that they picked Abe as a "solid underdog pick" despite the fact that he was the first eliminated. That of course could be attributed to Rampage's terrible match-making.

As far as talent goes, this is probably one of the most talent rich casts we've seen since the lightweight season with Lauzon, Maynard, Diaz, etc. Most of the guys on the show have at least 4 or 5 pro-fights on their record while some have had 10 or more.

Heavyweights generally tend to be a little slower and don't quite have the best conditioning, thus making their fights a little slower-paced, but I have high hopes for this season and think we'll see some legit UFC fighters come out of it.

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See that's where I will disagree. Dana White has a lot of potential money riding on Kimbo and putting just some random guy off the street in the preliminaries so that Kimbo be pretty much guranteed a spot on TUF would put the UFC's legitimacy under fire if people found out that Dana White was doing that sort of stuff.

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Wow, Kimbo's ground game is just plain laughable. I have some sympathy, as my jiu jitsu coach has a Roy Nelson belly that's hard to get past. The whole idea of a 'closed guard' goes right out the window. But, I also know there are things you can do in the positions Kimbo was in, and he just layed there and waited for the TKO. I thought the stoppage was legit, and thought it would've been legit if stopped in the 1st round. Nelson was hitting him with a TON of medium shots, and Kimbo wasn't doing sh!t to defend himself.

I do find it disappointing that Dana talked down about Nelson's win, as Roy Nelson could be a star and draw in ratings just like Kimbo. The very least you could say about Nelson was that he looked better than all of the other fighters so far, which isn't saying much as they all gassed about 3 minutes into the fight. Yeah, Roy Nelson wasn't killing Kimbo with crucifix shots, but he was pacing himself well and had the conditioning to be consistent throughout the fight. In wrestling terms, Nelson seems like a good heel character for the show, and no one pays to see a sh!tty heel get his a$$ kicked. Build him up so people will want to see him get torn down.

The results of tonight's show aside, there is absolutely NO WAY that this will be Kimbo's last TUF fight. Someone is going to sneeze in Dana's direction and get kicked off the show to get Kimbo back on.

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Hippo pretty much hit everything worth saying about this episode, but I thought Roy Nelson's idea of having his corner count the unanswered punches was absolutely genius strategy. I mean what else is a ref going to think when a guy has taken 15-20 unanswered shot to the head (hard or not). If someone is taking that many unanswered shots, than the whole "intelligent defense" is obviously not happening.

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I know I said I was done watching TUF this season but I just couldn't resist to see what the overhype machine Kimbo Slice was going to do and yep just what I expected, but It's the "Kimbo fighter" this season; and you just know he will fight again regardless of this lost. I agree his ground game was just horrible. I'm a black belt in Judo and I have seen better effort from white belt beginners then that. I mean, it's not like Kimbo was just pulled off the streets last week. He's been on the MMA scene for a couple years now and was training with Bas Rutten while he was in Elite XC. You would think he would have learnt something on the ground, but apprently not. Kimbo said it himself “I'm not a mix martial artist, I'm a fighter." Well then you are in the wrong sport then. Go try your hand at boxing then if that's how you feel.

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I was pretty disappointed with the fight. Nelson's strikes looked like they had very little effect on Kimbo but Herb Dean had no choice but to stop it as Kimbo was laying there doing absolutely nothing. If Kimbo had to lose, this was probably the best way for it to go down as now we've got the heel Nelson who comes off looking way too cocky and proud of a victory that wasn't exactly a blow out. People are going to want to see Kimbo get revenge and Dana will probably set up a rematch between these two on ppv and do a pretty big buyrate, I'd suspect.

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Well that fight went how any MMA fan thought it would. Roy got him to the ground and toke a dominate postition and didnt give it up. LOL at Rampage treating kimbo like a 6 year old in little league "well you defended that one take down attempt im proud of you". Kimbo is just to small at heavyweight and really not that good. Any decent wrestler can just take him down. His stand up looked alright but really not worth the hype it gets his hands arent that quick and we've never really seen him drop anyone. One positive i guess is Kimbos cardio looked better than it did in the thompson fight. Boy there really burying Roy Nelson one week his not a team player the next week hes overly cocky after a win.

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Kimbo might not be the greatest but I've been impressed by his behavior on the show. Pretty humble guy and really chill. I'm rooting for him, whether he gets back into the competition or not.

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Man I'm thinking Rampage's retirement is coming from a severe self esteem drop. He's been made to look the fool so many times on this season. I'll say it....I think he's afraid of Rashad/losing in general.

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I've wondered if they would do anything different with the production of the show since Rampage left the UFC, but for the most part it seems like they haven't. They're still hyping a fight that isn't going to happen. Although, I have to say that I did find the comparison to Ken Shamrock a little odd and out of place. You know who else threw hissy fights every time his team lost? The current LW champion, BJ Penn. Not to mention that next week, we'll see Titties "finally confront Rampage after weeks of torment."

Season after season, it seems like momentum is a complete b!tch to turnaround. I think it just speaks to the psychological nature of the game, and how hard it is to rebound mentally after a loss.

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One small note, I do like that they've been showing some more of the fighters in the house than they were the first couple of episodes. Whether it is like talking about the fights or fooling around, it's a cool change of mood. It was some funny stuff when they were picking on Zek Jensen.

Was really disappointed in Wes Sims this week, expected more from a guy who had as much experience that he did. Was just looking over his past fights, and he actually has fought some big names. Dan Severn, Frank Mir, Tim Sylvia, etc. Problem is he lost to every big name I saw on the list.

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Rampage has already called Rashad out outside of the ring if he wants some bad enough, but Rashad won't fight him outside of the ring, because their is no money involved.

All Rashad is doing is trying to bait Rampage back into the UFC, to hype this match up soo much that it's going to be a huge event which will equal a huge payout for not only Rashad, but for White as well.

I want to see the next TUF coaches be Diego Sanchez and Kenny Florian. These guys like each other as much as Rashad and Rampage do. That would be an interesting Ultimate Fighter.

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Rampage is really coming out of this season looking like a bully and an all around prick. All of his fighters are losing and all that he's been doing about it is picking on Schoonover and talking trash to Rashad. The fact that he takes absolutely none of the blame for his team getting crushed and even refuses to get in the ring with his fighters after they've lost really says a lot about what kind of guy Rampage is. Rashad is a fighter whom I've never really cared for due to a lot of his early fights being boring, but I've gained a lot of respect for him after following this season. He's going to come out of this show with a lot more fans, I'd suspect.

Spoilers for week 6 ahead:
As far as this week's episode, I was starting to feel bad for both Schoonover and Jensen as they were both the target of ridiculous hazing. It was pretty uncomfortable watching all of the fighters place bets on when Jensen would snap while he was in the same room as everyone. I was glad to see Shoonover get the win even though I don't particularly care for him, simply because he'd be able to have some sort of comeback for Rampage's relentless insults. I'm looking forward to next week's episode as they seem to be hyping a good fight and the clips of Rampage headbutting the door and shattering it look hilarious.

Edit: Also, I just wanted to share how irritating Kimbo has become. Watching him celebrate as soon as Zak Jensen got cut in practice really soured me on the guy. I get that he's a name fighter and everything, but he lost his first fight decisively and there are more deserving guys who should get a second chance before Kimbo. (Wes Shivers maybe?)

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According to Rampage he really didn't want to do another TUF but at the time that was the only way he could fight Rashad to determine who would get another title shot. So it seems to me that's prob the biggest reason why he isn't taking this TUF seriously.

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That makes sense then. It really seems like his heart's not into the game at all.

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If he didnt wanna coach TUF he should have taken the Lyoto fight that Dana offered him then insted of doing a half assed job of coaching. And if he really wanted to fight rashad so bad i dont think he would have pulled out to make a movie.

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Would love to comment on the show, but don't have time right now, and the past few posts I've tried in the MMA forum didn't go through, so I'm not going to waste my time again till I know the problem has been resolved.

But, if this post gets through, here's a funny video of Rampage speculating what that band-aid on Rashad's face was covering...

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Rampage was crazy at the end of TUF. I kind of agreed the fight this week was close enough that they should have went to a third round, but holy crap did he snap. Poor door. What did it ever do to anyone?

Rampage though, is helping me enjoy a somewhat dull season, especially with Kimbo eliminated and probably not getting back in. The whole "Titties" and "Big Belly" saga was funny as hell, especially when he had that poster made for Team Rashad.

I think the Team Rashad sweep might be spoiled by "Big Baby" Marcus Jones. I don't know anything about him at all really, but I just have a feeling he's going to use his size to his advantage in next week's bout.

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So uh who else can't stand Roy Nelson? I'm praying somebody beats him like brutally.

Now everyone knows why his nickname is "Rampage" cause he tore that door down like it was a nothing.

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Looks like Kimbo vs Houston Alexander is in the works for the TUF finale on dec 5th

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Of course did anyone expect Kimbo Slice not to be fighting again on TUF in some form. Dana miles well milk all the ratings that he can get from this season from Kimbo, regardless of how bad Kimbo is as an MMA fighter.

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I do agree with Dana White completely and Roy Nelson has not impressed me either. In fact, I don't think Nelson should have won that fight after 2 rounds. But man, it really does seem like Dana White does not like Nelson at all. I wonder if it really is just Roy's attitude that rubs Dana the wrong way, or if there's something else we don't know about it.

Of course, another week where Rampage keeps the show interesting with a funny as hell prank. That was pretty funny stuff with the chickens.

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So who watched the season finale last night?

I am hoping Nelson gets his @$$ handed to him this Saturday. Every match I've seen has been a complete snore. I'd pay money to see Marcus fight, not Nelson.

And speaking of Marcus, I've been a fan of The Darkness the whole season. I was sad to see him lose but I think he shown more throughout the season than fat-@$$ Nelson. Marcus has tremendous upside if he improves his striking and could more of a fan favorite as opposed to championship material in the future, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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I really think the season's two most-talented fighters made it to the finale. Brendan just looks so composed even when he's in tough situations, and Nelson is super experienced and talented. Nelson might not have set the show on fire, but he did what he had to do to win. People can say what they want about Marcus, but despite his size and ground skills, his stand up is still pretty bad.

Also, from what I've been reading, Kimbo is having a real tough time with the weight cut to 215 for his fight with Houston Alexander. Even though he has been training at ATT he decided to do the weight cut on his own...even though it's something he's never done before. Now this might not be the worst of ideas if he actually researched and studied the process, but based on this quote, it sounds like he should have gotten some help.

"I don't know about water-cutting," Slice said. "I don't even know what you're talking about."

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I gotta admit, when I saw Marcus Jones get Brendon Schaub down to the ground early, I thought it was already over. Marcus has been a freakin beast on the ground. But yeah, Marcus really needs to work on his stand up. He needs Kimbo's ability to brawl, and Kimbo needs his ground game. Combine them together and you got a really sick fighter!

I really question how far any of these fighters can go in the UFC. Roy Nelson is okay, but I really think that he couldn't stand a chance against the likes of Velasquez or Noguiera. I mean, we saw how good his IFL "buddy" Ben Rothwell did against Velasquez....

Brendon Schaub has potential, but I'm very questionable on just how far he can actually go. I was surprised to see on Wikipedia that he was 240. Looks smaller to me on the show to the point I was going to suggest perhaps he would drop to Light Heavyweight like Rahad did. Lol, fooled me. Anyway, if he beats Roy profoundly, then I'll possibly reconsider my opinion.

Honestly, I think Marcus Jones could go the farthest if and only if he can fix up his stand up work. He has the size to take on the heavyweights UFC has and his ground game was very impressive. But if he doesn't get his stand up going? He could disappear very quick.

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My thoughts on some of the fighters mentioned...

Brendan Schaub- My friend, who works with Brendan's brother in Denver, tipped me off that Brendan would be making it to the finals. I then watched the show with a different perspective, looking more closely for Schaub's strengths and weaknesses. And, I gotta say that I'm not all that impressed with him. He's got stand-up, and seems to have better conditioning than most on the show (which isn't really saying much), but his takedown defense is questionable, which will be a HUGE problem against Roy Nelson. However, he did show some very impressive hip escapes when Marcus Jones was on top. I attribute that more to Marcus sucking, and don't expect his hips to be moving all that much when engulfed by Nelson's gut.

Marcus Jones- by far the most likeable fighter on the show, which will pay dividends in his career, but he's not nearly as talented as people seem to be giving him credit for. His lightening-fast armbar in his first fight impressed the hell out of me, but he hasn't really shown much in his past two fights that would make me think he's the BJJ ace everyone seems to want him to be. He was struggling to maintain position, and lost an easy Americana (not kimura, Dana) in his quarter-final fight. And in his semi-final fight with Schaub, he was terrible at keeping position. It's possible I'm being too hard on the guy, but I've seriously been frustrated with the state of the top game in MMA these days. It's baffling how so many guys are getting to full mount and then losing it right away. If you want to see a clinic on heavy hips and good control in the mount, check out GSP/Trigg. I really think this is deficient in a lot of guys' games, and it pretty much cost Marcus the fight, IMO.

Roy Nelson- Now, here's a guy that knows a thing or two about ground control. I get the impression that he's getting the same heat that Lyoto once got. Both have very smart styles, in that they rarely get hurt in their fights. Can you blame a guy for taking the conservative road to victory when he had to fight 3 times in 6 weeks?


Predictions for the Finals...

Nelson/Schaub- Outside of a flash knockout, Big Country takes this one. Expect him to get Schaub in the cruxifix position and land shots until the ref steps in. I can't wait to see Dana's face as he awards Big Country with the TUF plaque.

Kimbo/Alexander- For the sadists out there, this has brutal KO written all over it. Two heavy-handed strikers with balls-to-the-wall attitudes and glass jaws spells knockout of the night. If Alexander were smart, he would take Kimbo down and put the pressure on him for a good 2 rounds. As gts mentioned, Kimbo's weight cut could prove to be problematic if this fight lasts past the 1st or 2nd. We all saw him huffing and puffing after his fight with Thompson. Add a bad weight cut to the mix, and Alexander should be able to win this fight easy if he plays it smart and tries to wear down Kimbo. If Alexander decides to go in like a Rock Em' Sock Em' robot, then it's anybody's fight.

Hamill/Jones- funny how this is the main event, as it's probably the fight I'm least looking forward to on the main card. In any case, I've got a feeling Hamill will take this one. This is in spite of his hands-down, chin-up stand-up and Jones' versatile striking. I just think (or maybe strongly hope) that Hamill leans heavily on his wrestling and safe GnP. Otherwise, he could end up in Jones' ever-growing highlight reel.

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Kimbo wins by UD, Roy Nelson wins the season, and Liddell/Ortiz are named as coaches, yet none of these are the most significant part of tonight's fights?!?!?!

According to Bloody Elbow, the DQ of Jon Jones was the result of the first ever use of instant replay is NSAC history. Apparently, Steve Mazzagatti asked to use instant replay to determine if one of the illegal elbows was the cause of the cut that ended the fight.

Didn't Rampage say he had seen instant replay used before?

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It was an interesting call for sure. When Mazagatti called off the fight, I assumed it was a DQ, but I still think the right decision would've been to give Hamill time to recover and restart. If the cut could be considered to be fight ending by doctor stoppage, then a DQ was the right decision. But really, those elbows were not the reason why Hamill couldn't continue.

In any case, I guess this serves notice that you can't just blatantly break the rules and just get warnings all day long.

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Hamill got his shoulder dislocated during the fight. I did find it odd how he was just protecting himself with one arm on the ground, I kind of figured something was up with him and then we found out after the fight that his shoulder got dislocated which explained why he couldn't really protect himself and defend that takedown very well.

I'm still not impressed with Kimbo. Yeah he had a couple good takedowns, but they were typical slams to the ground, nothing really MMA like about it. His groud game is still pretty bad. He still can't submit someone and even when he tried to go for a rear naked choke it as ugly to say the least. Not to mention he allowed Jason to slip out the backdoor a few times after getting Jason on his back. Guy has had almost 3 years fighting in MMA now and he has still shown hardly any progress so far.

Marcus has decent ground, but his stand up is pretty bad. He seriously needs to work on his throws, because tonight was another prime example of how bad he is standing up which resulted to another knock out.

Nelson is a prime example of how you don't have to be in shape to win fights in MMA LOL. People joke about how fat he is, but the man can really fight and he proved that tonight with his knock out win.

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Roy Nelson gets props from me for coming out to "I'm Fat" by Weird Al. I used to love Weird Al as a kid. Nelson is actually starting to grow on me a little bit. I'm curious to see how he fares in the Heavyweight Division. I doubt Dana is happy to see Nelson win this one as I can't imagine that this guy is very marketable, but we'll see. I loved Joe Rogan's comment where he said, "Imagine that guy as UFC Heavyweight Champion..."

I was sad to see Marcus lose because, as gutterhippo mentioned, he was definitely the most likable fighter in the house. He's got some holes in his game, but I hope to see him improve with further fights.

Kimbo showed some improvement during the second round of his fight, but he still looked lost at times. I don't think this guy is ready for the big time, but regardless, he's going to be one of the UFC's biggest stars for the time being.

That's about all I have to say as I'm tired. I'm looking forward to Sanchez/Penn at the next UFC and I'm also happy to see Tito and Liddell as coaches for the next Ultimate Fighter Season.

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Rogan was spot-on when he talked about how Nelson uses his weight to his advantage on the ground. My BJJ instructor is damn near as fat as Roy Nelson, and let me tell you, rolling with a guy like that completely changes the rules of jiu-jitsu. Forget about being able to close your guard, throw up triangles, or hip escape out of anything when a strong, fat guy is on top of you.

BUT, just because a guy is fat, it doesn't mean he's out of shape. My instructor has cardio for days and can outwork nearly everyone at my gym. Similarly, Roy Nelson shows great speed and cardio. He's certainly not just a big, fat guy. He's a rarity in this sport, and will pose problems for anyone in the HW division.


On a side note, we got some effing crazy-a$$ slams and throws all night tonight! There's got to be some gif's floating around of some of the slams, post em if you got em.

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Gravity + weight = 2 vs 1.



I kind of find it hard to believe that a guy that pounds down fast food burgers like nelson is in ideal shape.

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Marcus really has a glass chin every time he gets punched he winces in pain and combine that with a terrible stance i was just waiting for matt to KO him. I dont really see either of these guys doing anything in the heavyweight divison in the future Marcus is kinda old and has a terrible chin and Matt is a striker that really isnt that great at striking.

That kimbo fight was brutal im not really impressed with his ground game half the people on this board have a better ground game than houston. Kimbo dominated that 2nd round but im not sure if he won either the 1st of 3rd. I dont seee kimbo beating any legit guys at 205 any decent wrestler or BJJ guy would dominate him.

The hamil jones thing was BS hamil quit because he hurt his shoulder not because of the cut. Jones has relentless ground and pound he'll be facing a higher quality oppent his next fight which should be soon he didnt take any damage at all in that fight.

I dont know how many people it surprised that roy nelson won i was surprised it was a KO on their feet i thought roy would sub him or pound him out

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The Alexander/Kimbo fight raises an interesting marketing problem. All indications would seem to point to Alexander being released. He's lost his last 4 fights in the UFC, and gave a groin-grabbingly boring performance in the Kimbo fight. BUT, they just released the first series of UFC action figures, and Houston is one of the 6 fighters they chose for the first line-up. I'm sure Jakks Pacific wouldn't be too pleased if they let Houston go at this point..

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I never understood Alexander's game plan. He is obv a much better fighter overall then Kimbo but he played not to lose instead of being aggressive and taking it to Kimbo.

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I understood kind of what Alexander was trying to do with Kimbo's hurt leg, but it was performed to such an utterly horrific level. I praise Kimbo for trying hard to improve his ground game, but to dominate a guy like Alexander on the ground isn't anything to brag about. Fun takedowns though by Kimbo, or German Suplexes, whatever the hell they were.

My friend who I watched this show with has nicknamed James McSweeney "Sagat" for looking a lot like the Street Fighter character and for throwing that huge flying knee. He definitely put on some weight and it seemed to help, but I think he should been able to put out Schoonover a lot sooner.

Yeah....Marcus Jones was a disappointment. That's what I feared for that guy. Just flat out ugly stand up led to his demise.

According to Sherdog.com, Frank Edgar expects a title fight, I suppose face the winner of Penn/Sanchez. He was very impressive, but I suppose it all depends what happens next week. If Penn retains, I could see it happening.

As for the DQ, my buddy called it right when it happened. Frankly, I thought maybe the match would have been thrown out and made a No Contest, maybe not at the live event, but within days following. I can't argue it, but really, Hamill was done anyway. Bones Jones is definitely impressive.

Ortiz/Liddell 3 sounds like fun. Their first two fights were before I got into MMA, so I can't wait to see what happens. Sounds like a smart idea to do Ultimate Fighter: Middleweights. Need some fresh meat for a thin division.

And of course, Big Country. Got to admit it, didn't like the guy at first much like Dana White. But yeah, I started to warm up to him right about the time "I'm Fat" by Weird Al played in the arena. Brand Schaub fell to a experienced vet, so who knows really where he'll end up in the future. But Nelson had to earn some respect last night for the well deserved Knockout of the Night.

I don't agree either that you can't sell Roy Nelson. There's a possibility you can attract him being the "every man" type of sell. Yeah, he looks like any other fat guy you might see walking down the street, he doesn't look like what you expect a MMA fighter to look like, but he can fight just as hard as some of the best fighters in the world. Hey, if Larry the Cable Guy can be uber popular, why not Big Country?

For some reason though, I got a feeling we're going to see Kimbo/Roy go at it again. I don't know why, but I just think it's going to happen.

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Frankie Edgar may be expecting a title shot, but from what I've read Gray Maynard will get the next shot if he beats Nate Diaz at Fight Night 20 in January (which I will be attending...already got my tickets ). Edgar is extremely talented, but at this point I think Maynard is more deserving.

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Crap, I forgot all about Maynard. Yeah, I have to agree with you. Maynard deserves a title shot first, especially cause he beat Edgar anyways. People can possibly criticize Maynard for not finishing fights (last 5 wins by decision), but hey, he's undefeated and he's beating some significant names.

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