I`ve been watching TNA full time for about 8 months and had watched it every once in a while since its inception. Although there is something still missing, not something that would make it more WWE like, just that little thing that makes it must watch. I guess like WCW from mid `95 to late `97 WCW. There was a lot of talent, compelling story lines and stars that finally took that next step. (Jericho, Benoit, Guererro etc) But a s i said - there is still something missing, they are getting extremely close. Anyway the missing element is`nt what i wanted to ask about. The part im getting to is it seems they have started to make stars out of people who most people would`nt have put any money on getting over or even being slightly interesting. Watching Matt Morgan come along in the last few months has been surprising, I didnt see his match with Angle on the PPV, but from what i`ve heard it was incredible. I know a lot of naysayers are going to say Kurt `carried` Morgan, but you have to have some talent to be `carried` and i dont buy anyone saying Angle totally carried him. Than on impact this week the crowd was chanting Morgans name during his match with Rhino. Funny thing was i think even Morgan was a little taken back. Speaking of taken back... lets go back to WWE when Morgan was cast as a stuttering doofus. I truly think he has a bright future.

Then there is Dr Stevie AKA Stevie Richards. This guy is amazing because i have never known a wrestler that can be up so high at one point and almost invisible at others. ECW in the mid nineties with Raven - Over... WCW with Raven - Crap...WWE Right to censor - over Jakked and Metal...well have a guess... Now he is`nt exactly main eventing TNA but he is making a noise and getting mic time. Oscar Wilde once said ` the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about` and i think that covers Richards perfectly.

So my `it` is Does TNA now possess the ability to put people over? I know it sounds like a dumb question, but everyone complains about them being WWE lite and examples like Samoa Joe and Styles and Daniels dont really count as their fan base existed before TNA and to argue that TNA helped get them over is only a half truth, the other half is TNA only gave them a world wide stage to show people their talent. People like Richards and Morgan have been on this stage before and had different, yet not long lasting, success. To which TNA deserves credit for being able to repair what some would call `damaged goods` in an interest to the fans perspective. It may sound rather simple but for a relativly small company to say `look we succeeded where WWE, WCW and others have failed is something they should be commended on. And hopefully this is getting them closer to being a true `must watch`.

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If tna ever signs ddp then i would watch it religously, i believe that if it ever happened then he would be 'it'

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No.

When they stop trying to compete with the E, focus primarily on their homegrown talent, and write better storylines, then,......and only then after when the stuf starts to click with they get 'IT'

Also when the improved product translates into people coming to see them on the road will things look like an improvement; their biggest show of the year, held on a college campus and most of the tickets were free giveaways??? That alone tells me that they did not promote the show correctly.

Start from scratch, improve the product, then concern yourselves about getting 'IT'

Have to agree with Elix. TNA isn't anywhere near the point where they are getting "it."
Personally, I'd love to see all current storylines trashed, all titles vacated, and TNA wrestling revamped. Start back from the ground up. Announce tournaments for each title.And go from there.

They will start to get it as soon as they get rid of Russo. It's mind boggling how this guy is still one of the head creative staff writers for TNA. Russo has done nothing really since he got there to help come up with anything creative enough for the wrestlers to start to push TNA's interest in the right direction. I'm not writer by any means but I know what's garbage when I see it and the vast majority of TNA's past gimmicks and storylines were garbage.

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Actually the first stop of getting 'IT' is changing the name of your promotion

Total. Non-Stop. Action.????

How can you honestly expect to be taken seriously with that name or even be an alternative to the E??? Nowhere in that name do I know its about wrestling; my first thought would be motor-cross or the X-Games

What about Universal Wrestling Entertainment or something to that facet???

Jeez Louise I need to be an intern there for one month. I would turn things around so good

Oh saw the South Park episode w Vince. Funny how it made fun of how the real action is not the action but the storylines

To further validate my daily rants, their first three PPV's are going to be at the Free Arena

To further validate my daily rants, their first three PPV's are going to be at the Free Arena

To further validate my daily rants, their first three PPV's are going to be at the Free Arena

They have been getting it for a long time, but some marks tend to bash it simply because its TNA.

I could be here all day long, but I'll try to keep it simple.

I've followed TNA since their first show, and I've seen ups and lows.

1- People complain about TNA going after WWE talent.
First, they are estabilished wrestlers. They are free. They accept the offer made by TNA wich shows they want to go there.
TNA is not the devil for taking your damn former WWE guys. TNA is angel, for giving them work when they are out of it. For giving you, fans, the chance to still watch them on tv.
Since ECW and WCW folded, that the wrestlers didnt have a fucking option in terms of where to go. They only had the wwe, and the business went down the toilet with no competition.

2- On TNA being WWE lite, and still mentioning the talent issue
People fail to remember that back in the day, there was more than WWE. From the territorial days, to the days of the AWA and NWA, and WWE, to the days of the monday night wars etc.
If I had to count, there isnt one single WWE superstar who didnt wrestle elsewhere. Even CM Punk was on TNA before his WWE career. Batista? WCW reject (yes, he is the definition of reject, he was so bad, that he didnt pass the powerplant, where Goldberg, even Goldberg did.)
Austin? Former WCW tag champ.
Pillman? Former tag partner of Austin in WCW. Former member of the 4 horseman.
Flair in 92? Former WCW guy.
Nash during his first sting in WWE as Diesel? Former WCW wrestler as Ozz, and Vinnie Vegas.
Scott Hall before his Razor Ramon gimmick? The Diamond Studd in WCW.
Hogan? Former AWA heel
Raven as Johny Polo, a manager in WWE? Former WCW guy


The list goes on and on.

In the early 90's you used to have guys from WCW showing on WWE, and vice versa when they were out of a job. No one complained about Bulldog working on WCW.
Or Sid, in WWE. Why? It was good for the business.

We go to the mid 90's, and half the WWE locker room went to WCW. You tune in on WWE and you had half the early 90'rs roster of WCW working there. From Marc Mero to Goldust, to Razor Ramon, to Diesel, to Vader, to HHH, to Hector Garza etc.

No one complained! You had Candido, Bam Bam Bigellow, Raven, Public Enemy, Jimmy Snuka, etc on ECW. No one complained.

Why? We used to enjoy the guys from each companys going from one company to another. It was shocking. It gave us fresh matches. It gave the wrestler an option to go. Etc, etc etc. Now? If a guy from TNA shows up on WWE, no one complains. If someone from WWE shows up on TNA, its the end of the world. Get my point?

3- Bad storylines?
Where? I know it aint perfect in TNA, but its better than in WWE.
Vince Fakes his death, has an ilegitimate son in a midget, you get the same midget winning matches against someone like Chavo, Vince Mcmahon and his son vs HBK and GOD, Vince mocking God, HHH doing IT with a corpse in a mortuary, Snitsky killing Kane and Lita's baby, Edge and Lita DOING IT in a the ring (with children in the arena watching the whole thing even if nothing really happened), and other stuff that right now I dont recall. People talk about it for a few days and thats it. TNA does something with less bad taste and again, its the end of the world.

4- Old WWE veterans in TNA?
Booker wasnt old on WWE, and the minute he joined TNA, he was old as crap for the fans. Sting is old, but undertaker is young. HHH is young, but Angle is old. Finlay is incredible juvenile, but Foley is way young.

By the way, Mick Foley and the rest of the crew were estabilished guys who brought in some fans and attention to TNA. They hardly wrestle. They act more of on screen characters to help ratings than as wrestlers. TNA knows their limitations, thus the reason they do more tag matches with those guys than anything else. And even associating a title with them brings more prestige to it. In 10 years, some kid will hold the same belt held by greats like Sting, Angle, Styles, Booker, Foley etc etc.

"oh bring in this guy and that guy"

Why? You can bring in any new kid from the indy scene, it wont do miracles for TNA, expecially when only a handfull of fans know who he is. It wont sell, it wont draw, and some of those guys are only good there, on the indys. Thats not what gives a company ratings. Thats the reason youre only seeing TNA giving Daniels, Young, Samoa Joe some needed attention. You know who they are are, but they werent matured for the main title scene, expecially when youre new fans wouldnt know who they were to get identified with them, and stick to watch the show. You need to have a mesc of recognizable faces with new ones. The presence of Hogan on TNA will indeed bring in attention to TNA, and at the same time, for their young guys. The simple presence of him, is enough to put guys over, even if the doesnt wrestle them. Even if they job to him, him sharing the spotlight with them, is enough to carry some of the young guys to a new high.

TNA has great matches, the best gathered locker room ive seen in a long time, and nice storylines here and there. Its less confusing to have 1 world champ. They have the best tag teams IN YEARS, and yes at least they have a division for it.
Go watch it.

Instead of complaining about A, B, or C, jumping ship, (someting that always existed), if you like the guy, go watch him. Its better than watching Orton vs Cena for the 10000 time, or Re-run angles, or Re-run DX.

And no, its not WWE lite. Its got another name. Its pro wrestling. Period. Of course theres similarities, its the same line of business. What differs is the style. You have pg wrestling (WCW), badly conducted pg wrestling (WWE), more mature content (Attitude era WWE), in the middle of pg and mature (current TNA), hardcore (ECW), stupidity (CZW), more technical oriented (ROH), you got lucha libre, you got puroresu, you got old days revival etc. The style might change here and there, but in the end of the day all fucking companys share similaritys. Its got 2 WRESTLERS... or even more, a ring, ropes, storyline, angles etc. Its pro wrestling. WWE lite? ROH has got some ex-wwe guys and its not wwe lite. WWE has got ex TNA guys, and its not TNA lite.

Stop complaining. If you like wrestling, go watch it. If you like the wrestlers that jumped shit, go watch it. If you like guys who dont have title shots and struggle in the mid card, go watch it, God knows what I suffered with Benoit being held down in the WWE and I didnt complain. If you want wrestling to grow as a business, go watch it, help it on the ratings.

But please stop complaining about TNA with stupid non-sensical comments.

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Rav,

Without getting so emotional and writing a mini-novel on the matter, why is it so hard for you to see other peoples POV that its not so much that TNA sucks, but for the talent they have, they are using in an extremely horrible manner.

Hence, them not getting 'IT'

The big parts of this is due to;

1. Relying too much on old WWE stars

2. Storylines that don't grab and sustain attention

3. Bad acting

If all those equal or near equalled the physical action and you could go with the storys ala last night South Park episode which was hilarious, then and only then,......would they have 'IT'

After 7 years in existence, I cannot see how TNA does not have one,.....ONE!!!!, homegrown talent they could push to elevate to superstar status. My favorite is AJ, but he has the personality of a turtle. Great athlete, horrid performer.

I have no problem w them bringing former E dudes but don't make the majority of them the focus; make them a complement to make come across that TNA is the equal, if not at times better than them.

When you have the majority of former E's in charge, it comes across as E-Lite

And they have not helped themselves for the betterment of the company by bringing in Hogan; clearly the most recognizeable star in history of the profession, but to give a 60yo man a prominent feature on the show is telling and damaging

So, in conclusion, TNA does not,.....get 'IT'

1- You call relying too much on WWE stars how? In wich aspect?

Samoa Joe has held the world title. Aj Styles is the current world champion.
Im pretty sure Daniels is going to get a shot at running with the ball. In a business corporation, you cant just rely on your own stars, when the estabilished ones you got from elsewhere might help you far more, in this case, in terms of ratings.

If you look at Foley, he hardly wrestles, so I wouldnt talk about relying on him that much. He held the title for a while to associate his name to the belt, and bring in some fans, taking proffit of his momentum. He is putting Abyss over now.

Kevin Nash was originally a WCW guy. And his best days were in WCW. So I do not consider him a WWE star. And again, when did you see him with the world title? The only title I recall him of having held in tna, is the legends title. And theres a reason why its called legends title!
Nash 3 years ago was helping the x-division get over. And he puts people over.

Same I said for Nash is applyed to Scott and Booker. Former WCW guys. When was the last time either of this 2 men held the world title? Never. They had a short run as tag champs, and to be honest it was ok. They didnt do any harm, and had a nice program with Beer Money inc. By the way, Steiner is having a nice run in TNA as aparently he has relearned how to wrestle.

Sting held the title yes, but he was never in WWE, and hes been working matches like hes still in his 30's.

You must be talking about Angle then, but then again his your biggest draw.

Morgan was hardly used in WWE, so I wont even talk about him as a WWE guy.

I've seen the spotlight over the past 2-3 years, on 2-3 ex wwe guys at most, 1 former wcw guy, and daniels, aj, samoa joe, matt morgan, hernandez, beer money, and eric young. So dont tell me TNA doesnt use their talent over wwe guys. They dont. They use both the right way.

Get me the recap of each impact of the past year, and I'll dare you to tell me theres more WWE guys in matches than TNA guys, or TNA guys getting more attention.

When you have Hernandez, from 3 months ago, defeating Daivari, or Booker T, or Kevin Nash, that sole argument goes down the flush.

2- I disagree with the storylines. There might not be perfect, but I like alot of them. Its still better than watching midgets or guest host angles.

3- You want 100 names, or just 2? Eric Escobar

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Nash was actually a WWF star he didnt make it big until he became Diesle ... Not that I dissagree with your main points though.

That doesnt mean shit. He was on WCW first, making a WCW alumni.

WWe had more exposure. Simple.

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Rav,

I think you are missing the bigger picture here and for the record I will not be breaking down every ep so lets get that out the way

My point is that while it is good for TNA to bring in ex E'rs it shouldnt be the main focus which it has been in the past few years. Yes, AJ and Joe were the champs, but their title runs are very boring and uneventful, but you actually put the title on FOLEY???? For what???

The big runs with Christian and Angle were understandable but put that same fanfare into one of your own, like AJ. Coach him, teach him to have a personality, put him out there as opposed to keep strongly featuring old E dudes

Like I said before, TNA has not created their own star nor put any of them in a situation where they can say "our guys are just as good as them"

Think about it

Simple enough, iMPACT is just boring week in and week out. It's a shame because I was really rooting for them. It's even more of a shame because they have talent that is more than capable. When they first started they had a very rogue wrestling league feel. It seemed edgey. Weekly PPVs? Really? Who would have ever thought. Sure it may have been more out of neccesity than marketing strategy, but it just screamed alternative to WWE whch was severly needed.

Fast forward a few years...and it's lost its edge. The storylines aren't anymore compelling than what WWE is offering. The characters don't ever seem to get sufficient enough time to develop. The acting as someone mentioned here or in another thread is laughable. The interview segments are horrendous and are produced in such a fashion that one might believe it was a reel cut from a d-list reality show.

The action part of this equation can be quite entertaining, because TNA does possess talent that can work a match. But what's the use of two guys that can work a hell of a match, when you have to hit the fast forward or mute buttons on the rest of the show?

Those are my criticisms of TNA. And I didn't even mention WWE retreads.

And as I have said many, many, many,......and I do mean many times before, they have every show from The Free Arena

How can you gauge your storylines and how they stretch if most of the fans don't pay to be there??? How can you see how far you have come if you don't have different fans experience it??? Yes, it costs money, but it also takes money to make money.

Even if they perform at the normal bingo parlors they do and have their normal 500 paying,....or not, customers come at least there is a different atmosphere every week

Get on the road, and see how you really stack up

Your an idiot you know that? After I actually agreed with you on your main points too, what does that make me lol.

I guess HBK is not WWF he is AWA, oh wait no Houston Wrestling because he was there 1st.

[quote="Dynasty"][quote]That doesnt mean shit. He was on WCW first, making a WCW alumni.

WWe had more exposure. Simple.[/quote]

Your an idiot you know that? After I actually agreed with you on your main points too, what does that make me lol.

I guess HBK is not WWF he is AWA, oh wait no Houston Wrestling because he was there 1st.[/quote]

Rav just doesn't want to be open minded in this; maybe he's secretly Dixie Carter

Cannot believe I actually agree w a Bostonian

It's clear that Rav is a big mark for TNA.

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I'm a mark for everything that has Wrestling on it. I just believe that TNA may save wrestling by being the competition the business needs.

At the same time, I give credit where credit is due. I enjoy, and feel TNA is a better overall product than WWE.

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It's not perfect. But has it's place within the market. I also enjoy TNA, alot more recently. I hope they are able to stay secure, cause it could go down the tubes pdq.

Well it depends on a few people who is doing it.

1. Vince Russo (???)
2. Dixie Carter (She has been serious lately with this and she wants to do it.)
3. Hulk Hogan (I don't know what kind of role he will have)
4. Jeff Jarrett (He needs to come back to iMPACT and may go after Samoa Joe)
5. Bob Carter (Dixie's father)
6. Eric Bischoff (I don't know how he plays into it.)

So far everything this year was either good, cool, or ok. The good I have to say it's the Lethal Lockdown Match and the ten man tag team between Foley, Jarrett, AJ, Daniels, and Joe vs. Angle, Nash, Sting, Booker, and Steiner. The cool I have to say was the brawls on iMPACT(Jarrett and Angle back in March and the roster, minus the knockouts, back in August or was it September?). That was so crazy. The ok, was when Foley had to suspend Jeff Jarrett, which it was so wrong.

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Well according to the news today about hogan's role, it appears that he is coming in to help run the company from behind the scenes mostly and has no plans to wrestle at this time.

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It is not the matter of touring it is the matter of promotion. What is having Impact! or a PPV in New York going to do to grow the TNA name? All it does it show TNA have toured. Promotion is what is needed. By airing commercials during Raw, SD, ECW, and Superstars they will they grow. TNA going on to air them during sporting events and getting their stars on talk shows like Conan, etc will they expand farther. As I recall, WWE Raw's first episodes were in the damn Hammerstein, not touring for a good while. WCW did the same at arenas. It is so simple, TNA being smart at promoting the TNA name. Not "Oh the Impact! Zone is dumb, get out there and go to Madison Square Garden" No! this is not Field of Dreams. No, there is "If you bring it, he will come". If TNA has a show outside the Impact! Zone, it is not going to cause them to pull 500,000 buyrates and 3.0s in ratings. TNA have held one Impact! outside the Impact! Zone, and two live with one in HD and didn't pull over a 1.1. TNA have held 15 PPVs on the road since 2004 with the supposed highest buyrate since being 70,000 with Final Resolution 2006 in the Impact! Zone with the return of an OLD WCW VETERAN, not a homegrown TNA guy, Sting. Touring is not the answer. We have taped tv shows like Will & Grace, Scrubs, etc that pull higher ratings than TNA and any of WWE's shows. They don't go on the road. They pull money and ratings for their respective networks, and by staying in the same place week in a week out it keeps cost down. The reasons they pull what they do, is smart promotion. We are wrestling fans. We are not involved in the business. Everyone needs to quit bitching. You can bitch once you actually do something other than listen to Dave "Dumbfuck" Meltzer who hasn't done anything either. TNA will be at the top, once they get consistent booking. Keep a mix of homegrown and big name stars. Morgan is a homegrown star. He is a TNA guy now. WWE didn't make him, TNA did. TNA did the same with Daniels, Joe, and AJ. When you see them, you think TNA, unless you are a ROH fan. And if you look at history, AJ got his first and second title in TNA before winning the ROH Tag with Amazing Red. Joe and Daniels have got more titles in TNA than in ROH and more promotion from TNA than from ROH. They are TNA guys, more than ROH at the moment. Now if we really want to argue this, then we could consider the first promotion these guys ever wrestled in, is who they ares. Joe is UPW's. AJ is NWA Wildeside's. And Daniels is some Chicago promotion's.

What is wrong with being a mark dude? He says he is a mark for wrestling, but even if it was just TNA, what is wrong with that? Seriously!? People act as if that is a bad thing. So what? The guy has something he likes. Instead of bitching about stuff, find something you like and become a mark for it. Too much negativity in wrestling today. Nothing wrong with being a mark.

Thanks for your words. The problem to me isnt the touring as well. The problem to me has got more to do with "brainwashing" from the other side.

WWE became the only thing in town, and ever since TNA came to existance, the bitching has always been the same. The major problem is that WWE became more directed at a childish audience, even before the pg crap. To those kids, if it wasnt WWE it wasnt real, or it was simply amateuresc.

Some of those kids are only starting to watch it now, and some others are only 16 now.

The bitching is always the same.

"old wwe reject guys" wich shows they dont know a shit about the wrestling history.
"bad storylines" but if you ask them a single storyline that happened in TNA, they simply dont know, and even if they mention names, they simply cant describe what happened - they havent seen it
"bad ratings, same arena, bla bla bla" wich again shows they dont know that that doesnt reflect on the product's quality

If people stopped bitching, and simply watched the show with an unbiased, unbraiwashed mentallity maybe ratings would be better. Maybe the fans would grow. Maybe they would tour more.

Until then, for touring, England, and Japan, where they get full house arenas with 20-40 thousand fans or even more is the single option.

We have worked with tNA in the past in Portugal, and we had 20 thousand in the arena, for 1 portuguese match, and 10-12 TNA matches.

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I've watched TNA several times. Fully expecting to enjoy it. I'm not so dense as to believe the WWE offers the best wrestling in the world. It doesn't. So each and every Thursday night I sit down and attempt to watch iMPACT. And I've found that the only way I can sit through an entire show is to watch all the matches and flip the channel during everything else.

That's bad news. Casual fans aren't going to stick around for matches if they aren't reeled in by compelling storylines. Without casual fans sampling your product, all you'll ever have are the die-hards. The die hards aren't bad, but no company sets out to ONLY have a handful of die hard fans. TNA is not getting "it."

And 6 years later it was the biggest show on TV, cant say the same about TNA....

At that point, though, WWE was Huge anyway, it had the money to get advertisment on other channels. It had the names to get it somewhere. Hell, even with the name "WWE" alone, if you gave it time, it would have brought in ratings, and thats what it did.

Im starting to get p!ssed off at almost ALL of the biased views on here. Some of you guys have been pampered by the Tyrant in wrestling known as WWE that when anything new comes on, you guys like to point out ALL of its flaws, and use those as a reason not to watch it.

You cant honestly sit there and list all the problems that TNA have had, 10 years ago, WWE had ratings in 6's and 7's and now its gone way down to 3's. They have obviously not done things right.

But my opinion isnt Biased towards TNA. Ill admit, the biggest mistake they made was pushing all the old WWE/WCW stars. Some of them would have worked at the top (Christian, Angle and a few others) But enough is enough. They have more then enough talent that didnt build there name in other companies, to actually become succesful.

I also hate that TNA's biggest draw, The X division, has gone downhill (sorta). Im not even going to go there.


Im sure most of you are going to disagree with me, and post retarded facts to back up what you say. But when can we reach the point where it doesnt matter whats on what program, and we can all like both company's? Yes WWE fans, we know TNA wont be AS huge as WWE, but we still like it, its an alternative to midgets, and guest hosts. And TNA fans, yes, TNA has better wrestlers, and most of the time, better matches, but you have to admit, some of the storylines could be better. Once we can all get past the negatives about both companies, we can all just shut up, and enjoy the wrestling.

I really hope this made sense.

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If a wrestler is better known for his work in WWE, as opposed to a brief stint in some smaller promotion, people will tend to reference their WWE work and look @ them as a former WWE talent.... Extending to comparable circumstances... People don't look @ Barry Bonds and say he was a Pittsburgh Pirate great (it's part of his history sure) but they tend to recognize him as a San Fransisco Giant.

And for me, it's not so much taking strictly 'WWE guys', it's taking any elder established star and plugging them straight into a main event role. Whether it be Angle, Christian, or Booker (coming straight from WWE) or if it's Sting, Nash, and Steiner who were guys that were out've the spotlight for a little bit before re-emerging in TNA. The BIG difference between all of TNA's "established" stars coming over and guys like Austin and Razor heading from WCW to WWE is that WWE took unestablished/barely established talent and completely repackaged them and made them something strictly WWE... TNA is taking 10-15 year veterans, who it would be a nightmare to repackage (and probably wouldn't work in the end) and so they're left w/ the same act people saw in WWE (and elsewhere) therefore people are more able to draw the "WWE light" comparisions.

If TNA was strictly grabbing guys like Matt Morgan, who barely had a cup of coffee in the WWE, then it would be a very different situation... Sure there'd be some recognition, but w/ a new gimmick, look, etc... it would be more like what the WWE had done w/ wresters such as Pillman and Jericho. Look @ the Samoa Joe situation, an absolutely perfect opportunity for TNA to make a relatively unknown into a big star... their big star! So instead of taking Samoa Joe to the next level, they give him a half assed title run, have him lose to a bunch of their "has-beens", and then saddle him w/ the MEM that has no benefit for Joe... Styles and Daniels have more or less been TNA's version of guys like Mysterio, Benoit, Eddie etc... And they're still in the primes of their careers!! Yes, Styles is getting his title run but so far I haven't seen anything that makes me believe that this title run is gunna be one that truely establishes him w/ the likes of Angle or even Jarrett (the fact that Jarrett is a top guy is enough of a problem w/ TNA).

Until TNA truely establishes a handful of its' own main-event stars (which they have in Daniels, Styles, Joe, Hernandez, and now Wolf) to stand along side the veterans they bring in, they wont be able to shake the 'WWE-lite' moniker... Although they do have an excellent tag divsion (I thoroughly enjoy LAX, MCMG, etc...) and a strong set of X-Division wrestlers, but those should not be your focal points, in a 'complete' company those would just be GREAT pieces to the puzzle (pieces the WWE doesn't really have, especially tag team-wise... theyre starting to get a mid-card) they wouldnt be TNAs focal point... because no matter how strong your x-division and tag divsions are, you need a main-event scene worth mentioning... and TNA is still looking for that.

Your taking the point out of context, the point is TNA has gone nowhere or grown since it burst onto the scene at the beginning of the decade. You want to be more relevant WWE in 1980 compared to WWE 1987. From regional to global in 7 years.

WWE in 1993 was a struggling company that was on the decline and turned it around.

Your ratings system are flawed because 7-8 years ago cable was a whole other monster, I can watch what ever i want on demand or online or TIVO it. Not to mention theres about 300 more stations today and the NFL is just CRUSHING it anyway on Monday night. WWE's ratings are perfectly fine compared to everyone else. You have to take all the elements not just the numbers.

As far as crying about everyone being biased and some conspiracy theory like the WWE is 1984 or something, its pretty simple people dont like the taste of shit they certainly dont want to watch it either. if you like it good I dont care no ones saying dont watch people are just saying why they and I guess the rest of the world dont watch.

So? How is that bad thing? Who does it hurt? It upsets a few, but who cares?

The biggest show? No no no no no, Raw was not the biggest show on TV in 1999. Shit, look at Nitro, it was beating WWE in just a few months after starting. Looking at TNA's history, how they went from a weekly PPV company to a global touring promotion, with established guys and their own homegrown stars in 7 years, compared to the WWE which took a good 30 years to be at TNA's height. We are talking about apples and oranges, not apples and watermelons.

How you dont think Monday night raw was a top show in 1999-2000 is beyond me, its idiotic. Yes we are all aware of the Monday Night Wars and by mid 98 they were over and now you can watch nitro everyday on youtube, do you want to continue that debate, because last I checked WWE owns their literally.

When WWE was around it was regional, every wrestling promotional was REGIONAL. No one even tried expanding globally, it might as well be a whole other sport in a whole other world.

WTF are you talking about TNA's sucesess? THEY HAVE HAD NONE, ZERO, ZILTCH. They have no homegrown stars.... no why because to be a star people have to watch. If you polled the avg person they wouldnt know who or what TNA is never mind AJ Styles. There stars are created by little emo punk kids that try to be "independent" towards the rest of society because its "cool" to like Joe and Styles. Im not going to argue the success of the WWE compared to some double A wrestling company, its beyond idiotic.



And WTF does that even mean, or am I behind the ball on clever sayings these days.

Who does it hurt? The mark trying to validate his point.

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I honestly think that tna is starting to get it. Theyve got a triple threat for their title at their next ppv between daniels, joe and styles. Matt morgan and hernandez are literally the next big things. Hulk hogan coming in to run the company and give his 30 years worth of experienced opinion. Mick foley who is turning face and back heel every two months and is really funny and entertaining to watch, not to mention hes teaming up with abyss against two former ecw guys, you got the world elite who are going ridiculously good considering the only one of them that anyone cared about before is eric young, and dont try tell me hes not a future world champion, you got an x-division champion who is more entertaining to watch right now then evan bourne and r-truth put together, you got rhino and and the dudleys as conspiracy theorists, you got the best womens wrestling in the world, you got desmond wolfe absolutely killing kurt angle, they got cody deaner, the best knockouts champion ever, you got beer money, the best tag team in the world, a really solid tag title scene, and theyve got black machismo whos new gimmick is not only acting like randy savage, he actually thinks he randy savage.

Tna is well and truly getting it, abd it is really fun to watch every week

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A few things;

1. Rav is either related to the Carters or someone on the TNA payroll; he is just too adamant that they are the begin all end all and says their product is better than the E's

2. Someone mentioned that TNA needs to promote and not tour, which is half-right as the touring helps establish your product. If they were smart, they would have 'street teams' pushing the product when they come to the town of choice to perform

3. If you're going to tour, do so within a 200 mile radius over a 3-4 period
tuesday in boston, lowell or worcester, ma
wednesday in manchester, nh
thursday in portland or bangor, me
Keep your costs down and maximize the area you are in

4. You're on disney's land; hire their writers or intern writers to make better storylines like the E does. Invest in the product, you get a better product

5. Get better announcers; that chick is cute but shes a ditz and the guy looks like the dude from Reno 911

6. If Dixie believes in the product and her investment, don't just give away the product; supervise it and manage it to what you want

They don't get it

Most of the people on here who keep defending TNA's practices are looking at it from a point of defending the underdog/emotional fan POV.

Look at it from a point of business only and you will see an extremely flawed plan.

They have all, or most of the pieces to have a successful company, but they are doing it all wrong; instead of saying "we are just as good as the E" they should be saying "we're for people who want something not the E".

I cannot for the life of me not understand how is it they don't have their artists in Disney movies or part of some cross-branding promotion, either in a prominent or secondary role.

And change the name of your company; Total Non-Stop Action does not convey wrestling. I'm thinking motor-cross, X-Games or porn.

You are whing about the name!!! Who gives a f**k if you think porn, X-games, whatever? The damn name used in promos is TNA WRESTLING or Total Nonstop Action WRESTLING, so you are completely wrong.

Back during the PPV days my buddy's mom disallowed him to watch TNA based on the name implying that.

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Unending, covetous hunger known as greed
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[quote="Tucanforpres001"][quote="ElixIsRaw"]And change the name of your company; Total Non-Stop Action does not convey wrestling. I'm thinking motor-cross, X-Games or porn.[/quote]

You are whing about the name!!! Who gives a f**k if you think porn, X-games, whatever? The damn name used in promos is TNA WRESTLING or Total Nonstop Action WRESTLING, so you are completely wrong.[/quote]

No whining just making a statement. If you didn't know this and someone said "do you want to check out TNA, are you honestly going tosay your first to fifth inclination is about wrestling??? No, you're thinking tata's and culo. Thats my point in regards to the business model; the name is generally the most important puzzle to the branding of a product

If you own this business, you should give ufck

Just because some people's heads are in the fucking gutter is no reason to change a name. It isn't broke, no need to fix it.

[quote="Tucanforpres001"][quote="ElixIsRaw"][quote="Tucanforpres001"][quote="ElixIsRaw"]And change the name of your company; Total Non-Stop Action does not convey wrestling. I'm thinking motor-cross, X-Games or porn.[/quote]

You are whing about the name!!! Who gives a f**k if you think porn, X-games, whatever? The damn name used in promos is TNA WRESTLING or Total Nonstop Action WRESTLING, so you are completely wrong.[/quote]

No whining just making a statement. If you didn't know this and someone said "do you want to check out TNA, are you honestly going tosay your first to fifth inclination is about wrestling??? No, you're thinking tata's and culo. Thats my point in regards to the business model; the name is generally the most important puzzle to the branding of a product

If you own this business, you should give ufck[/quote]

Just because some people's heads are in the fucking gutter is no reason to change a name. It isn't broke, no need to fix it.[/quote]


So you can say with a straight face that it doesn't need fixing??? Are you serious???